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POLL: Should Brown Stop Comparing Himself to Ted Kennedy?

What do you make of the latest controversy in the U.S. Senate race?

 

Should Scott Brown stop running radio ads that compare his views with the late Senator Ted Kennedy? 

Brown recently came under fire for running radio ads that contend that Kennedy would have agreed with him that employers and insurers should be able to exclude health care coverage of drugs and procedures that go against their moral views.

Ted Kennedy's son, Patrick, asked Brown to stop running the ads in which he says, “Like Ted Kennedy before me, I support a conscience exemption in health care for Catholics and other people of faith.” 

However, a look at bills that Ted Kennedy sponsored in the 1990s and 2000s show that Kennedy would have required all employers who offer prescription drug coverage to include contraception coverage, according to a front page story in Tuesday's Boston Globe

Please share your views on this latest controversy by taking this poll and leaving a comment below.

  • Should Scott Brown Stop Running "Kennedy" Radio Ads?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Yes: It's clear that the late senator would not agree with him on this issue
        383 (39%)
    • No: I believe Brown is right in asserting that the late senator would have agreed with him on this issue.
        581 (60%)
    Total votes: 964
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: All Politics is Local, U.S. Senate Race, and election 2012
What do you think of this latest controversy? Tell us in the comments.

Ben Jackson

9:58 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Scott Brown is getting desperate. He's in real trouble in reelection, and this is a particularly disgusting comparison. To paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen, I knew Ted Kennedy, and you, senator, are no Ted Kennedy.

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JJ

2:09 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Warren needs to get more publicity. She is never seen in the media. Remember Coakley.....a lesson for anyone running for office. Brown is offering South Boston 10,500 work visas for skilled Irish; less regulation for the fishermen to get their support; and, has finally granted a meeting with Bay Windows - so he hopes to appease the Gay Community.

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Shawn D.

11:09 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Ben, your absolutely right. He is showing signs of desperation. No need to compare, if you did anything since being elected, run on your accomplishments..NONE!
When the voters had a choice to fill Ted Kennedys Senate seat, the choice was pretty poor. Looks like we have another round, pretty bad or not as bad.. take your pick.

Diana

10:15 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Whether or not Ted Kennedy thought it was a good idea is irrelevant to me. It is NOT a good idea no matter who endorses it. The contempt in assuming that his constituency blindly worships Ted Kennedy is only slightly less astounding than the ineptitude of this move, which is practically guaranteed to alienate Democrats and Republicans equally.

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DannyBoy

11:03 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Ben, how many politicians do you or I know have integrity and are honest with voters?

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Ben Jackson

11:09 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

D,

Bernie Sanders. Russ Feingold. Ron Paul (whom I strongly disagree with about almost everything, but he has strong principles distinctly outlined and closely followed). Locally David Linsky and Karen Spilka. Andrew Cuomo.

Diana

10:39 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Dan, you think that making a point of emphasizing his agreement with Ted Kennedy (the LAST thing he'd want to do) is a mark of his confidence in his campaign? That's an... interesting perspective.

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macmic

11:40 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Ben, you are wrong wrong wrong. The comparison was referring to a how Ted Kennedy had a particular view. Unless we live in a communist country he has every right legally to make the comparison to someones viewpoint or voting record. The question we should be discussing is who will bring more jobs to the baystate brown or warren. The answer is very easy. Scott brown all the way.....

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Ben Jackson

11:46 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

@macmic, Actually, Scott Brown is wrong wrong wrong. He claimed that he and Ted Kennedy shared a particular view on contraception coverage. However, Kennedy's record - including later legislation he introduced and/or endorsed specifically outlined a position in direct opposition to what Brown is espousing. He does have every right to make any comparison he wants - but he has the *responsibility* to accurately portray the record of the person to whom he is comparing himself. He woefully failed to to so here, and instead of correcting the record, he insists that he is right.

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Patricia

7:59 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

If as you say Scott Brown will bring more jobs to the bay state... what is he waiting for. it would seem to me he has had time to do that since he was elected

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Shawn D.

3:42 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

macmic, I hope your working, because if you think Scott Brown is going to do anything to create jobs here in Massachusetts, well then, I guess he fooled you twice..
Warren is certainly no prize, and I am very disapointed that she is the only alternative.
But don't let Brown the Clown, stick around.

Anne Justice

11:41 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

It is disgraceful that Sen. Brown is taking Sen.Kennedy's words out of context and trying to use them to trick voters. Rick Santorum just did the same thing with a speech JFK had given to a group of Houston ministers in 1960.I think it is very sleazy politics and tactics like this should not be tolerated from any politician.

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Southender

11:59 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

I believe it quite arrogant on his part to use Kennedy's name when the latter would disagree on just about every vote Brown has made. Brown has represented the Koch Brothers and not the people. No matter what anyone thinks about Kennedy - he did bring lots of money and jobs to the State. Brown has done neither.

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Brandon Chapman

12:50 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Here is the full text of a 2009 letter from Kennedy to the Pope.

http://fratres.wordpress.com/2009/08/30/full-text-edward-m-kennedy-letter-to-pope-benedict-xvi/

Please note this section. "I believe in a conscience protection for Catholics in the health field and I’ll continue to advocate for it as my colleagues in the Senate and I work to develop an overall national health policy that guarantees health care for everyone."

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Diana

4:07 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

That's a nice letter. How did the actual legislation shake out? And how did he vote on it?

Carolyn A. Gritter

2:02 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Senator Scott Brown has no shame. That the senator refuses to admit he is misleading voters with his advertisement in the face of Kennedy's staff members' and family's refutation of his claim demonstrates his unworthiness for election. Senator Kennedy supported a conscience exemption for medical personnel who objected to participating in abortion services, period.
Senator Kennedy supported Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as Amended by the Pregnancy Discrimination Act, which make it unlawful sex discrimination for employers to exclude coverage for prescription contraceptives and devices from health plans. The Health Reform Act makes that coverage available to women without a co-pay. In it's 1990 decision in Employment Division v. Smith, the Supreme Court ruled that the First Amendment does not permit individuals to violate valid laws simply by claiming a religious objection. In response to that ruling Congress passed the Religious Freedom Restoration Act in 1993. That statute says that any government action that burdens a person's exercise of religion must advance a compelling interest in the least restrictive way possible. Clearly the government has a compelling interest in promoting women's health and autonomy.
Scott Brown's support of the Blunt amendment would allow any private employer to become a moral or religious objector, inviting consciences of convenience for simply fiscal reasons and opening a huge loophole in discrimination laws.
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CommonSenseCitizen

2:03 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

As Brandon above points out, Kennedy did voice support for a "conscience protection" but at the same time, his voting record did not. That is the key distinguishing factor in this argument. All politicians must make compromises with their personal beliefs and their responsibility to their constituants. In this case, the problem is Republicans (including Scott Brown) are more interested in tearing down the wall that rightfully divides church and state rather than doing what is best for their constituants as a whole. If you aren't capable of compartmentalizing these two areas of your life, you are unfit to hold office.

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CommonSenseCitizen

2:12 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Daniel Marcella says: "There is far more to this state than the elitist confines of Cambridge and Brookline."

Ah, yes. More of the "elitist" talk. The last resort of the debater who can't keep pace with those more well-reasoned and well-informed than himself. "You and yer fancy book learnin'! You can have yer science! I pray to god and he tells me what laws we should have!" After all, every other country ruled by religion is working out really well.

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Diana

4:11 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Dan, how exactly DO you define "elitism"? I'm just curious what sort of mental gymnastics one would have to perform to come up with a definition that doesn't apply to Scott Brown.

Shirley Casey

2:58 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

D, When are we going to find a "MAN" that will stand for the right even if the Heavens fall? It is not going to be in Scott Brown. Does a Leopard change his spots? The people of Mass. were taken in by the Kennedy's because most of them did not know any better. The whole Kennedy Clan were like the old Man Kennedy and apparently it shows what the MORALES of the country are becoming and have become. We have a guy in the White House that anyone with any brains would not be doing what he is doing - bringing home all the Forces when the country is still badly off. Oh, just to show that he promised to bring them home when he running for President. Social Medicine -- ask anyone that has left Canada and they will tell you their system SUCKS - wait 2 yrs. for surgery, put on a list and waits months for see a Specialist. Don't ever think this is never going to happen here in the USA. When men run for office they will say anything to get you to vote for them. Brown, is no different and let me say again, "Show me a MAN that will stand for the right regardless if the heavens fall." He has not changed since a KID!!!! Wake up and smell the roses!!!!

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CommonSenseCitizen

8:26 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Shirley says: "We have a guy in the White House that anyone with any brains would not be doing what he is doing - bringing home all the Forces when the country is still badly off."

What the heck does this sentence even mean? I can't even begin to glean a point from it. The country is not well-off financially, so we should keep spending trillions fighting a war we can't win? We should leave troops there to get killed so they won't have to find a job back home? I don't get it.

Shirley: "ask anyone that has left Canada and they will tell you their system SUCKS - wait 2 yrs. for surgery, put on a list and waits months for see a Specialist."

Goodness, where do you get your facts? Faux News? Everything you write is a talking point churned out from the rumor mill, dusted with second-hand conjecture, and wrapped up neatly in conservative obfuscation. Go read the facts and get back to us: http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/mythbusting-canadian-health-care-part-i

Raj

4:01 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Brown has every right to reference any public figure, living or dead...
but I would caution him to not paint himself in the same light as Ted Kennedy as one of the reasons I am glad Brown was elected is that he is NOT Ted Kennedy!

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ed shreenan

5:52 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Ted Kennedy was die hard liberal who loved spending everyones money, the man never saw a TAX he didn't like. Thank god, Scott Brown is nothing like that crook. People squawk about term limits, until its their own elected officials up for re-election. Enough already, Obama had Democratic control in congress and got zero accomplished. That should tell you how pathetic the Democrats really are.

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Anne Justice

6:56 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

I would say that Ed's posting is a perfect example of the ignorance gripping our country. To blame the condition of our society on one party is what is really pathetic and it adds to the smoke and mirrors game. We should vote for term limits without a doubt. That is just the tip of the iceberg reguarding our political system.

Shirley Casey

6:07 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

There are many that know how much he accomplished when he was in Boston. Yes, he loves to spend our money. He needs to look himself in a mirror and say,"Am I really doing what I promised to my people back in Mass. ?" He is arrogrant and thinks already that he will be running for President down the road. He needs to forget that and go back to be a so called Lawyer. My question is, what has he done thus far for Massachusettes? think long and hard before voting for him again. Vote for his wife, Gail Huff and you will get honesty. Not Scott Brown!!!! Wake up Massachusettes.

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Richie M

7:12 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

In response to Carolyn Gritter's comment that Scott Brown has no shame. No shame compared to who? Ted Kennedy? The same married Ted Kennedy who drove drunk on a suspended license with a single woman as his passenger in the middle of the night while his pregnant wife was back home and not on Martha's Vineyard. The same married Ted Kennedy who let his single female passenger drown to death, then took 9 hours to sleep off the booze and confer with his cronies in order to get his story straight. Saint Edward even wanted to place the blame for the accident on his deceased female companion. Nice guy that Ted Kennedy. Saint Edward's son Patrick denounced Scott Brown as a joke. This is the same Patrick Kennedy who was stopped by police in DC for driving under the influence. The same Patrick Kennedy who assaulted a female airport security agent who had the audacity to stop him because he set off a metal detector. Take a guess what his first words to her were. You guessed it, "Do you know who I am?" Shame on YOU Scott Brown for comparing yourself to a man of such high morals, integrity and character. SHAME ON YOU.

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Anne Justice

7:33 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Smoke and mirrors.......Brown is misleading people. Noone is defending that tragic event. What does that have to do with this?

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DannyBoy

7:36 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Daniel, it seems that two of your comments have been deleted already on this thread, and I don't recall either of them being offensive in language and tone. Does the Patch have something against you?

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Diana

8:03 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

I think that if Patch were covertly deleting Dan's comments (which I saw, and they didn't merit deletion based on either violation of the user agreement or how very edgy and politically incorrect Dan likes to think he is), they'd delete the ones where he complains that his comments have been deleted. I'm guessing either a glitchy connection or user error.

Diana

7:28 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Erm... just as a general FYI, Ted Kennedy's dead. Why not discuss Brown's actual very own merits as a legislator? That should save us all bunches and bunches of time.

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Richie M

7:39 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Daniel, I fully expect to be the lucky recipient of a "technical glitch" sometime this evening. I'm sure it hurts when people find out (or don't want to accept) that their idols aren't what they appear to be. The PC police don't want to hear it, and will call me a "Hater" but everything I stated is fact.

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Patricia B

11:00 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012

I agree Richie M., I fully support Scott Brown and the left can't seem to bear it that Brown is using Kennedy's words!

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Marcy

8:11 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Richie - you are right. So many people really do not want to hear it when you mention that Ted Kennedy gave that young woman a permanent solution to birth control. It's so mean, you're talking about Ted Kennedy...I do not believe the man should have not have found peace in his life, but to be held up like some kind of amazing leader. Really?

Diana

7:57 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Sure it is. Ted Kennedy's still dead though, and Patrick isn't running in Massachusetts, so maybe you could move on and discuss Scott Brown?

Unless of course no one can think of anything to say about him, which I find totally plausible.

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Richie M

7:59 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Ms. Justice, Smoke and mirrors? Ms. Gritter said Scott Brown has no shame. Compared to who? I'm curious if she's using Ted Kennedy as the benchmark that's all.

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Diana

8:05 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

So nothing to say about Brown then? Okey dokey. Totally understandable.

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CommonSenseCitizen

9:33 pm on Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Hi, I'm Scott Brown. I voted to cut taxes for the wealthiest of Americans. Like other republicans, I claim they are job creators. But when it came time to bail out Detroit and save jobs, we voted against stuff like that. So we really weren't creating jobs, were we? But to be fair, we also voted to cut subsidies for farmers making less than $1m per year. So that's fair, right? We just want to be sure everyone suffers equally. Well, some more equally than others, I guess! Thanks for your vote!

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Diana

10:43 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

What do you have against women in the White House, Dan? Also, still waiting for you to help me understand how you define "elite". Thanks.

Don

7:50 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Hello folks. Wondering do any of you know Scott Brown? Well, I know a number of people in Wakefield who went to school with him and grew up there at the same time. He is not a nice person, quite a bully in fact. Some people would be sick to hear him speak on that subject. There is again, no good choice to replace Senator Kennedy and our state is paying for that big time. Neither Brown or Kerry have any kind of backbone, very spineless. This Elizabeth Warren, eeee gads, go manage a mental ward will you. Guess nobody else is left.

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CommonSenseCitizen

8:13 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Don,
I went to school with 3 people who are now famous. One in the sports world and two in the entertainment industry. Seeing these people give interviews is rather surreal because they don't seem like the same people they once were. Perhaps it's because it is a public persona they've adopted. Or more likely, perhaps it's because they were 17 when I knew them and now they're over twice that age. I don't like Scott Brown. But I don't like him based on his politics, not because of things he may or may not have done when he was 17. Tell me: would you be pleased if an employer told you at an interview that you didn't get the job because someone told them you were a jerk in 8th grade?

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DannyBoy

3:11 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Don, meet Shirley Casey. Shirley Casey, meet Don.

You're going to vote against Scott Brown, just because you heard from some people who went to HS with him that he was an alleged bully at the time? Please. This is just childish behavior and shows political immaturity.

If you want to vote for or against a certain candidate, just concentrate on the issues, the candidate's views on policies and his/her track record.

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mplo

2:36 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012

I can't stand Scott Brown either, and yet I didn't like Martha Coakley much. I ended up voting for the Green Party last time, instead of voting for either Scott or Martha.

Shawn D.

2:09 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Scroll on up, and look at that pic of our boy Scott.. he's as smug as they come.
He'd stick it to you in a heartbeat. His personal aspirations, are way more important than anything you need.
Unfortunately, Warren is no prize either, and she'll have a hard time beating him, and that is what really sucks.

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Joseph

3:23 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

It's official - All of Daniel's comments have been deleted. Is The Patch doing this, or do readers actually hate other people's opinions so much they flag them as inappropriate? Why am I not shocked that you all vote and think the way you do - Big Brother Is Good!!! God help us all.

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DannyBoy

3:29 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

To Kasey Hariman: can you explain why all of Daniel Marcella's comments on this thread were deleted? I don't recall any of them containing foul or inappropriate language, so does the site automatically delete the comments if a certain user does not like them and flags them as inappropriate, without an editor reviewing said comments for its contents?

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Joseph

3:41 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

D - yes. Matt wrote an article about that. If a certain number of people (like maybe 3) don't like what you have to say, and flag as inappropriate, they get deleted. Editors don't have time to police the comments (which is ok, they have better things to do), but maybe they need to increase the number of "flags," then once that number is reached, send to an editor for review before deleting. Just an idea.

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AnonLikeU

3:41 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

I can't remember the exact number, but if a comment is flagged 3-5 times, it automatically gets deleted. I don't know if Patch is smart enough to know if the same person is doing all the flagging. When the comment(s) get deleted by Patch users, they go to the editor's inbox for review. But the editor usually has another job, and is not monitoring his/her patch email 24/7. I suffered the same fate as Daniel many months ago. I think it comes from a user or users just wanting to irritate the heck out of commenters they don't particularly like. The best thing to do is to send an email to the guest editor roberto@patch.com. They will restore the comments.

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AnonLikeU

3:53 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

yeah, the other weakness of Patch is that when a comment is deleted, the poster is never notified of the deletion. You have to police your own comments to make sure they stay put. Regarding increasing the # of flags, the down side to this is that when a comment is truly inappropriate, it really needs to get removed asap, they're generally pretty outrageous. It might take too long, or not at all in some cases, to get 5 flags.

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DannyBoy

3:57 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Ok, thanks Joseph and Donna Dudley for the the update. This is off-topic, but I wish Patch has a better way of managing comments, and removing those that are truly inappropriate, not just because they get flagged a certain number of times.

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Kasey Hariman

10:43 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Daniel's comments have not been flagged down -- we can check on flagged comments in our moderation queue, and reinstate them if necessary -- and none of the Lead Editors on any of the Patch sites this is cross-posted on have deleted his comments.

I'm currently working with Daniel to figure out what is going on, but, I assure you, there's no conspiracy here on the part of Patch staff, nor is he getting flagged down by other users. Daniel's statements in this thread have not been inappropriate, and it's in Patch's own best interest to have him -- and other folks like him who share their opinion respectfully -- as a commenter, so it is not just upsetting to you all that his comments are disappearing, but to me, as well. Does that answer your question?

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DannyBoy

10:59 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Hi Kasey, thanks for letting me and other posters know that you are working with Daniel to resolve this issue, be it a technical glitch or otherwise.

Guido Sarducci

4:14 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

My son, our political state is sad all over, locally and nationally. But Warren is HATED by Wall St. , so she must be doing something right . The current clown car of GOP presidential candidates are racing to the bottom, inspiring our kids to go to college makes you a ''snob'' ?? REALLY ?? They are appealing to the ignorant , and proud of it far right. Against pre natal screening ???? Going to Harvard is a negative?? REALLY?? EVERYONE I know would give their left nut to get their kid into Harvard. Dubya, Willard Romney and Scott Bielat ALL WENT TO HARVARD, why no ''elitist'' tag on them ?? The GOP has done NOTHING to help our economy, actually hoping it tanks, really patriotic there eh? Now they are trying to hang the price of gas around O'Bama's neck, like he controls the world markets, meanwhile the Dow is at 13,000 and taxes are at an all time low and we are adding jobs every month, much to the GOP's chagrin. The GOP has nothing to run on, we have high unemployment a national debt through the roof, that the GOP somehow acts like they have nothing to do with, and O'Bama is STILL ahead in national polls against whomever the GOP nominee is.

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Joseph

4:29 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Obama entices class warfare. Success = bad. What a shame that you don't see this.

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Diana

11:49 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Joseph, can you explain how Obama incites (with an i) class warfare?

Guido, WTF with the "O'Bama" thing? Help me to understand.

Shawn D.

4:16 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Come on now folks. Its "oppinions, comments" from a bunch of people, who for the most part, are screwing off on the boss's dime. Now, back to the topic: Scott Brown should not be re-elected, his opponent is wishy-washy and MAY possibly do a better job. The only way to find out, is to elect her, and if she does the same as he did (NOTHING) vote her out too. Someday we may get a Senator like Ted, that works FOR the people of Massachsetts, not for his own ambitions. Go Away Scott, you had your chance, and blew it. Take heed Liz.

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Patricia B

11:06 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012

I have to disagree. This is a one party state, Liz W. will vote lockstep with Democrates. Scott Brown reaches across the aisle, that's what we need more of. What are Warren's qualifications? What public office has she held? She's a carbetbagger and the last thing we need are more ivy leaguers - we need experience!

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Diana

11:10 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Patricia, I'm going to presume that your inquiry about Warren's qualifications is genuine, and that you might actually have some interest in educating yourself about her. Here you go.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Warren

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DannyBoy

11:18 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Patricia, Elizabeth Warren does have experience in matters of public policy, if that's the experience you are referring to. And I am taking exception to your negative comment about ivy leaguers, like this is a bad thing: on the contrary, we need highly educated people running for public office, not some "Joe Schmoe" plucked from the street.

Guido Sarducci

4:48 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Daniel my son, it is acceptable , I guess yo missed O'Bama's trip and great speech in Ireland a couple years ago, and his roots were traced there. P.S, lighten up, stop taking yourself so seriously, because I'll let you in on a little secret, BOTH parties suk, if you really think that either one has YOUR interest at heart, you're an idiot.

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Shawn D.

4:55 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Got to love people like Joseph. He's getting all riled up, trying to defend the GOP. Brother Joseph, you have to stop watching Hannity, and stop believeing that all of the "Left Wing Extremists" are trying to undermine the Constitution. Most democrats in this State are actually considered moderate, and don't want to take away your pretty gun, or give your hard earned tax dollars to some welfare layabout.
Lets agrre, to disagree on some of the issues. But, Scott Brown has done nothing for you, or your State. Send him packin. He's the layabout on your tax dollar.
Not the single mother trying to make ends meet.

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Joseph

5:10 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Shawn - Actually I don't watch FoxNews. No thanks. I have a job where I actually watch and read several news services all day long. Ever hear of CNBC, BloombergTV, DowJones, CNN or yes, even FoxFN? Let me know when you do, then we'll talk. I formulate my own opinions based on several factors. Sister Shawn, both parties are morons. We do agree. By the way, you couldn't be MORE wrong about MA Dems not taking my money and giving it to welfare layabouts - do you actually read or listen to any local news publication/tv stations? How about that my property value decreases, yet my property tax increases? What do I get out of this? Single mothers don't concern me (god bless those women, at least those that are trying to hold a job and not milk the system like a majority do). Ok, off to a meeting now. Will be at work until 8...earning my paycheck so someone else can have a free ride. G'night

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Patricia B

11:09 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012

"Most democrats in this State are actually considered moderate", what are you kidding me? Massachusetts is known as one of the more liberal states. Wow,

And, why is it that people who have a different opinion are "Fox News' and Hannity watchers? What's with that? I don't watch any of that crap but it gets thrown in my face all the time

Guido Sarducci

5:01 pm on Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Joe, WTF are you ranting about ? The GOP is crushing UNIONS , trying to LOWER minimum wage, cut unemployment benefits to the WORKERS of the country, cut S.S and Medicare defund Planned Parenthood and on and on. Name me ONE policy they have put in place that benefits the middle class or god forbid ,the poor. They worship greed, and depend on the anti intellectual, ''Keep your government hands off my medicaid!!" crowd. BTW, what gives you the idea that I am ''lazy'' ? And no , when I say culture war, I mean civil rights, women's rights, workers rights, keeping religion out of politics, helping the most vulnerable among us, not calling them ''lazy'', maybe you need to go back to college, you snob, and learn what the word ''culture'' means. If you think that O'Bama et al. are ''communist'' , socialists'' or whatever, you need your head examined, he's COMPROMISED on EVERYTHING with the GOP, would a ''communist'' take a penny from Wall St. ? You sound like another angry, bitter wingnut , chillax, I'll tell you what I told Mr. Marcella, if you think EITHER party is on your side, your an idiot, they are BOTH owned by special interest, and get their marching orders from industry.

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Patricia B

11:18 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012

No one's trying to lower minimum wage, let's keep the rhetoric down. Unions are not popular for a reason by most of us in the private sector - especially public unions, no one buys their bs any more. I think you will find that everyone, including republican's agree that a safety net is needed for those TRULY in need. But, look around you do you really think our hard earned money is going where it is supposed to? how much fraud and corruption should the taxpayer put up with? Neither party is on our side, I agree, but this one party state is really almost reaching a tipping point. We need more checks and balances.

Joseph

8:38 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Daniel deleted again. Shame on The Patch readers and the Editors. No further comments on multi-city Patch forums from this reader. G'day

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DannyBoy

11:08 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Joseph, please don't practice self-censorship here. What is great about this country is that we have free speech and can exercise that, even though we don't agree with each other on every topic. And regarding the people that abuse the welfare system, I think they are in the minority, but they really give a bad name to the majority who are really hurting and need this service.

Patricia B

11:15 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Peter,
silencing a difference of opinion is a very dangerous thing. I hate to think you really mean what you said, or do you???

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Patricia B

11:47 am on Thursday, March 1, 2012

In response to Diana and D. The wiki link you provided did not show me anything I didn't already know, she's a highly intellectual person probably better suited for another postion - to me she is very experienced in one thing and really wonder why Obama passed her over for the Consumer postion which she is obviously more suited for.
D: Wow good thing our founding fathers believed in us Joe Schmoe's!! What's wrong with Joe Schmoes? You can't tell me the current administration, with all their education, is doing a bang up job??? We need people who can relate to the middle class and I'm afraid most ivy leaguers can't.

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DannyBoy

12:41 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Patricia, I don't have an agenda against Joe Schmoes, but I believe that, given the advanced state of our society and the intricacies of law, it takes someone with rigorous education and training in the legal field to be qualified to take upon the office of legislator, because that person will be asked to create or amend the laws of this land, which I don't feel that an average person is up to task.

As far as relating to the middle class, I believe that Elizabeth Warren is perfectly capable of doing that, given her working class roots and upbringing in her personal life.

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DannyBoy

9:42 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Hey Patricia, I guess "Joe the Plumber" from Ohio has a chance to get elected to Congress this year. Check out this link:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2012/03/07/ohios_joe_the_plumber_gets_gop_nod_for_congress/?p1=Well_Politics_links

Though I must say that I highly doubt how effective he's going to be in helping craft legislation for our country.

Diana

12:13 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Patricia, that's fair, I just wonder if there's some particular reason that you feel that she's unqualified to be a legislator, other than being a Democrat. I mean, being a Democrat is sufficient reason for you to find her unsuited I suppose, but not unqualified, which is a different thing.

And just FYI, the majority of Ivy Leaguers ARE middle class. They don't all go on to make vast fortunes, and the ones that do are generally more accurately defined by their fortunes than by their education.

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Patricia B

12:28 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Diana,
In my opinion, Warren is not a well rounded person. By that I mean someone that has a feel, common sense if you will. She's rather "out of touch" with the average person and I'm afraid we already have too many legistlators too far removed from the working middle class, and that's why we are where we are. It's funny how she goes on and on about everyone paying a "fair share", yet her own employer isn't required to pay MA taxes. She makes 300 grand for one class, and she's yelling at us that we need to do more?? Public office doesn't quite fit her I don't think.

And, I'll stand by my Joe Schmoe comment................. our country was founded by average people, the Joe Schmoe's if you will. I even find the negativity of being a "joe schmoe" rather odd, kind of like class warfare............

Diana

12:40 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

What about Scott Brown's voting record says to you "Hey Schmoe, I'm here for you."?

Also, our country was emphatcially NOT founded by average people, but that's a whole other argument.

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Patricia B

12:48 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Diana, you'd be surprised that average people can and do do amazing things! A little common sense would go a long way. You can buy your education, but without a little working mans' common sense - you got nothing.

Liz Warren seemed to run away from her humble beginnings, as she likes to call it, as fast as she could - almost like she is embarrased. And really, she should stop yelling.

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Diana

12:57 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Sure they can. For instance, they can learn all about the Founders, and discover that they were among the richest and most educated of the populace. Nothing wrong with that (in fact, if you think about it, it's just common sense), you need resources to get stuff done.

Don

12:43 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Warren is a MOONBAT. So isn't Scott Brown, but Warren is so far out there he seems centered. No good choice on the ballot this year.

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Patricia B

1:02 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

So, by Diana and D's logic; only well educated, ivy leaguers should be running for office.

What a sad state of affairs... I guess at this point we will agree to disagree.

Scott Brown all the way!

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DannyBoy

1:10 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Patricia, I never said such a thing, so don't start putting those words in my mouth. It's funny you should mention about well educated people running for office, because that's how I would describe Scott Brown, him being a graduate of Tufts University (it just so happens to be my alma mater) and of Boston College Law School, and he's a practicing attorney, so that makes him well qualified to be a legislator, don't you think?

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Diana

2:19 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Well, I'd certainly prefer that our legislators be well educated, and certainly don't believe that one needs to attend an Ivy to be well educated. I guess by your logic, only slack-jawed yokels should run for office.

Oh wait, that's not what you said. But hey, that whole misrepresenting each others, words looks like a fun game, so I'll play too.

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Anne Justice

4:25 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Patricia's response and logic are a perfect example of the tactics that Scott Brown stoops to. Sad state of affairs indeed!! Taking a person's words out of context is sleazy whether you're a politician or not. Smoke and mirrors to detract from actual issues.Surprise!!There are no poor politicians in Washington.I think that fact is common knowledge.

Patricia B

1:17 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

D, "given the advanced state of our society and the intricacies of law, it takes someone with rigorous education and training in the legal field to be qualified to take upon the office of legislator, because that person will be asked to create or amend the laws of this land, which I don't feel that an average person is up to task" So you mean a law degree should be a requirement?

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DannyBoy

2:29 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Patricia, I don't think a law degree is a requirement for a person to run for office, however, it certainly helps that person in understanding our complicated and sophisticated laws, and implementing new ones in the best possible way to protect the citizenry and govern the country.

Patricia B

1:18 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

so that makes him well qualified to be a legislator, don't you think?

Great, so he's got your vote???

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DannyBoy

1:41 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Funny you should mention that too, as I did vote for Scott Brown back in 2010, and this time around, my vote is leaning towards him.

Richie M

1:53 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Patricia B, bullseye with your comment at 12:48pm. Liz Warren tries to pass herself off as one of the so called 99%. Take a look at the Personal Financial Disclosure form she had to fill out to run for the senate. It shows that she's worth $14 million. Her house alone is worth $5 million. First off I don't care what a person does for a living. I don't care how they make their money nor do I care how they spend it. It's a free country. They earned it, and as far as I'm concerned they can do whatever they damn well please with it. I don't know how some people define wealthy, but in a recent interview when Ms. Warren was asked about her wealth her response was " I know there are some wealthy individuals, but I'm not one of them". What?? I never knew $14 million was chump change. She was also asked about the donations her campaign accepted from Wall Street donors. The same evil Wall Street donors she and her acolytes rail against and pillory Scott Brown for also accepting donations from. Her response , "Well yes I have, but I only take money from the good people on Wall Street". In other words do as I say not as I do. Are most politicians hypocrites? Sure they are. But Elizabeth Warren's hypocrisy is just more brazen.

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Patricia B

2:00 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Richie,
I think that's what bugs me so much about Ms. Warren, is her brazen hypocrisy. Those on the left would be up in arms if she were running as a Republican. I say that as a true Independant that votes across party lines because my thoughts on this is the left is being too forgiving to Ms. Warren as they trash everyone else.

Patricia B

2:25 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Like I said Diana, we'll agree to disagree.
Have a great day!

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Diana

3:24 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Thanks Patricia. The Blunt amendment was defeated today, so I'm having a better day than Scott Brown is. :)

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Patricia B

3:30 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Well, if that's what it takes for you, as Liz Warren would say "Good For You!"

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Diana

5:17 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

I was having a pretty good day before that, but of course any day is improved by a win for the good guys.

MB

3:36 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Richie, Elizabeth Warren is actually worth $14.5 million. Now we know why she's running for the Senate. At $14.5 million she's not wealthy, but she knows where the money is.

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Richie M

5:28 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Amen to that MB. She certainly knows where the money is tonight. She's at a $5000 a head fundraiser being held on her behalf in......Hollywood. HOLLYWOOD!! What are the chances that when it comes time for her to speak, the self proclaimed "intellectual founder" of the occupy movement will rail against the 1% while attending a $5000 a head fundraiser with the 1%? Her hypocrisy is shameless.

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Diana

7:31 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Richie, Scott Brown did a $1000 a head fundraiser the other day, and on Tuesday was in Palm Beach. Not sure where he is tonight, since his campaign doesn't want to say. You can delude yourself into thinking he's just folks if you like, but don't expect reasonable thinking people to humor you.

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Diana

7:42 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

A list of Scott Brown's fundraisers through December 2011, for anyone who's interested. Not cheap.
http://www.opencongress.org/people/fundraisers/412384_Scott_Brown

Patricia B

4:29 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Anne Justice, what did I say out of turn?

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Anne Justice

5:02 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Patricia, my heart goes out to you.Such disdain and closed mindedness is unhealthy. Please read the entire communication and I hope that you will see and understand.Have a good day.

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Patricia B

5:05 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

No Anne, please don't feel sorry for me. Everyone who knows me knows I am fair and open to other opinions. Since I can't figure out which part of the converstion bothered you enough to offer me sympathies - can you do me a favor and point it out to me? I'd really appreciate where I have crossed the line.... thank you. If you can't, then I'll assume you're just blowing smoke.

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Anne Justice

5:19 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012

Sadly my point was proven that you are not sincere with reguards to reading the communication. It is not at all difficult to figure out. I will not engage in such nonsense and indeed be pulled into a tit for tat. You are exactly the example of distraction that is happening in politics today. SLEAZY,SLEAZY behavior. I won't stoop to that level. Thanks and God bless you little heart.

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D.C. al Fine

8:15 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

Some facts. Hillarycare had language in it that did all of what the Blunt amendment would have done. This was not unusual. There was a long tradition of exempting religious organizations from many regulations that could infringe the free practice clause of the First Amendment. Kennedy in fact was instrumental in making sure that such language was in the proposed bill for Hillarycare.

Don't just take my word for it. Here is the text that you can google from the Hillarycare bill:

`SEC. 21223. PROVISIONS RELATING TO RELIGIOUS BELIEF OR MORAL CONVICTION. `Nothing in this title shall be construed to--

`(1) prevent any individual from purchasing a standard benefits package which excludes coverage of abortion services, if the individual objects to abortion on the basis of a religious belief or moral conviction;

`(2) prevent any employer from contributing to the purchase of a standard benefits package which excludes coverage of abortion or other services, if the employer objects to such services on the basis of a religious belief or moral conviction;

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Diana

8:55 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

DC, that's true. I just don't care. This isn't a partisan issue, it's a terrible idea no matter who proposes it. I'm not going to suddenly think it's okay because there's a (D) after the person's name.

I'd be okay with an exemption that only applied to employers who pay 100% of their employees' insurance costs. As long as the employees are paying in, then their rights shouldn't be superseded by their employers' rights.

Richie M

8:41 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

Thanks for the advice Diana. I'll leave the delusional thinking to the wealthy multi millionaire worth $14.5 million who thinks she's not a wealthy multi millionaire worth $14.5 million.

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Diana

8:48 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

Like I said Rich, think whatever you want. I'm not really posting for you, it's more for the benefit of other people who may be reading who aren't impervious to reason.

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Richie M

1:29 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Thanks for the clarification Diana. I really was wondering who you were addressing ("posting for" to quote you) in your post last night at 7:31 pm. Normally when someone addresses me by my first name I assume (apparently I'm wrong) that their comments are directed at me. And all the while you were posting for the benefit of other people.

David Whelan

9:59 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

What happens if the Catholic Church decides to no longer offer health insurance to its employees given this decision? The church could easily stop coverage and pass along the monetary benefit to its employees. Who benefits then?

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Diana

10:25 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

Employees, who would then be free to purchase the coverage of their choice, and the Church, which wouldn't have to cover birth control. In short, everyone. Also, just fyi, none of this applies to the Church, just the Church's business interests.

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Diana

11:35 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

FYI, Catholic Charities gets 62% of its funding from the government, so I think they need to suck it up and render unto Caesar.
http://www.catholiccharitiesusa.org/document.doc?id=2853

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Karl Weld

11:49 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

No Diana, Catholic Charities should tell the Feds to pound sand, not take the money and administer to their faithful the way they see fit. And BTW, we overthrew a king so we wouldn't have to "suck it up and render unto Caesar" anything. It's nice of you, however, to point out the obvious tyranny of Big Government though. Because THAT'S what this debate is about.

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Diana

11:54 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

Karl, if you have a problem with rendering unto Caesar, take it up with Jesus.

And hey, if the Church wants to stop taking government money that's fine, but they don't get to take the money AND tell the government to pound sand. That's not government tyranny, that's RCC hypocrisy.

Southender

10:16 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

First Brown claimed that Kennedy's Senate Seat was the People's Seat. I would say it was a Massachusetts Seat. Then he renamed the Kennedy Library as the People's Library. Now he claims Senator Kennedy would agree with him that women working in Catholic Corporations (not Churches) should be denied contraception coverage. Where is this guy coming from? This is not a Communist country where everything is called the People's. And where does he get off going against the majority of women who advocate contraception. The guy is a nut case.

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DannyBoy

11:32 am on Friday, March 2, 2012

I wouldn't label Scott Brown a nut case, as other GOP politicians on the national stage are more deserving of that moniker. However, it's too bad he supported such legislation that is discriminatory towards women's health and rights. This is just one instance of a fundamental interpretation of one clause of our Constitution that is just not suitable to our society in this day and age.

Don

12:20 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Diana, remember - Jesus told you to take a hike a few weeks ago. Probably stands today, but I wouldn't want to speak for the Lord.

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Diana

12:39 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

Well, I personally don't require Jesus's approval, but I'm not claiming to speak for him, I'm quoting scripture. That particular quote is referenced in three out of four gospels, so don't feel obliged to take my word for it.

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Marcy

8:42 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

I don't think any company should be required to cover birth control. If a woman meets the criteria to receive government support due to insufficient income, I'm not opposed to having birth control provided for her. Otherwise, buy your own birth control. Give me a break. Our insurance covers this almost 100%, but I refuse to use the coverage because it cuts out the little guys like Michael at The Medicine Store. (only CVS, Walgreen's etc - will they cover). So it runs just under $500.00 for the year at Michael's. The Georgetown U chickie must be buying some other fun things if hers is running almost $1000.00 per year as she states. This is getting ridiculous. Hell, I think we should buy everyone a puppy. Because people might get depressed if they don't have a puppy. Give me a break and take responsibility for your own life and your reproduction.

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Marcy

9:22 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012

That said, clearly they are going to cover it because it makes financial sense. But do not force religious organizations to "go with the flow" if it is against what they believe in. Get a new job if this is a problem for you! Imagine what Democrats would say if starting tomorrow we said - Sorry, all students will have to say the Pledge at school. Oh, it goes against your beliefs - so sorry - suck it up. In fact, isn't there something going on with this right now in a local school district? I think I can be pretty objective when I say allow the religious organizations to have their own voice, considering I have never belonged to one.

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Diana

10:02 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012

Marcy... Democrats (and all thinking people) would generally be against requiring students to say the Pledge, not because the Pledge is "against their beliefs", but because requiring it is unconstitutional.

Health insurance is part of your compensation package. It's payment for labor, not a gift to be administered or not at your employer's whim. There are all sorts of regulations governing compensation, and if you're going to run a business, you have to abide by them. This regulation is not special, and neither are the businesses run by the Church. Again, this would not apply to the Church itself, they won't have to offer IUDs to nuns, or even the nice Church secretary. It will apply to their business interests, and the employees of the Church's businesses are entitled to all the same protections as employees of any other business.

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Donald Robinson

9:15 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Just go to planned parenthood for contraception. It's free!

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Diana

11:32 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Donald, birth control is not routinely provided free at Planned Parenthood. In fact, of the six PPs in Massachusetts, two of them don't provide sliding scale payment at all, and the other four require proof of income and in some cases residency. Easy enough to find out by going to the PP website, if you care at all about knowing what you're talking about.

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Patricia B

12:24 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

what if the church, and many are, self insured?

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Diana

12:30 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Patricia, I'm not sure I understand your question. Can you please clarify? Thanks!

Patricia B

12:24 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Just to say I mistakently marked Anne Justice's 10:50 entry as inappropriate. It is not inappropriate - is there a way to remove the flag?

thanks.

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Patricia B

12:46 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

If you are referring to self insured, a business may opt for self insured whereas they pay claims out of pocket. companies I have worked for treat Workman's comp this way. And, I have heard many religious organizations are self insured.

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Diana

12:49 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Yes, had an under-caffienated moment. I'm not sure whether the law as written differentiates between self-insured and other plans, but I don't think it necessarily should. Again, this is about the employees' rights, and as long as the employee is paying into their insurance plan, then their rights should prevail. If the RCC would like to 100% pay for their employees' insurance.

Diana

12:50 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

BTW, I can't see Donald's 2 recent comments, am I the only one?

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Patricia B

12:52 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

I cannot see them either. Diana, does that mean, since I pay a portion of my insurance coverage, that everything should be covered, even things considered cosmetic surgery? Is there a limit?

Diana

1:03 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

No, but it means that you should get reasonable medically justifiable coverage, and birth control is absolutely reasonable medically justifiable coverage. Can we really, as a society, not get together and agree that birth control is a net good? That boggles my mind.

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DannyBoy

1:18 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Try telling that to the Catholic Church and socially conservative people, who don't believe in such a concept...

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Patricia B

1:20 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Diana, we're back to square one. Birth Control is good, and people should pay for it when they want it. It's not that expensive - what the cost of a few latte's a month? And, if they are that poor they would qualify at PP, no? You just can't force a religious institution to go against their teachings... I think we've beaten this horse dead...

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Diana

1:21 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Well, they're welcome to not use it. That doesn't mean that they're welcome to try to prevent other people from using or having access to it. Apparently they have a very narrow (and utterly incorrect) view of what "religious freedom" means.

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Diana

1:25 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Patricia, we're only back at square one if you disagree that birth control is a prescription medicine to deal with a health issue, since prescription medicines to deal with health issues are generally covered by insurance. Prescription medications are not lattes. What other prescriptions do you feel health insurance shouldn't cover?

Patricia B

1:32 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

No one is trying to stop anyone from using or accessing Birth Control. That is how the left is tryiing to frame this and it's bs. As I said, my opinion is that the government cannot and should not force any religious organization to break with their faith. Be it catholic, muslim, hindu, protestant, jewish, etc.... That's my opinion and I'm done with this topic -this could go on forever.

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Diana

1:44 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Well, if you're done you're done, but frankly, there's plenty of BS spewing from both sides, and I'd say that comparing prescription medication to lattes and conflating two comments of mine to imply that I'm saying that the RCC is trying to limit access to birth control is considerably BS-ier than noting that a large part of the purpose of insurance is to cover prescription medications.

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Anne Justice

9:01 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Scott Brown tried to deceive voters by using Ted Kennedy's words out of context! That is Sleazy! That was at least related to the question at hand. With the sideshow issues though,how strange that plenty of negative incorrect comments are said reguarding Planned Parenthood as well as so called free contraception and are allowed but no one can mention that Viagra is covered by insurance companies without being deleted. Both are prescription medication! Where's the outrage over Viagra??

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david mokal

3:45 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012

Anne I totally agree he's being a grave robber by doing that. Im independent but Warren will get my vote. She's down to earth and self made and a family person. Brown just another blowhard and has done nothing for the working class. Mouth Moves says nothin. Yup and I voted for him too. He says "LIKE TED KENNEDY" meaning I'm like...Should have said Ted Kennedy said or did.

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